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Wave 9 - Scimitar - Thalaron Weapon

Postby daharmasterjon » Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:28 am

"Instead of inflicting normal damage, for each uncanceled [hit] or [crit] result, discard the captain card or 1 [crew] upgrade (opponent's choice) on the target ship. If the captain and all of the [crew] upgrades on the target ship are destroyed, any additional [hit] or [crit] results damage the ship as normal (max 5 damage)."

Q1. How does this interact with a ship that has the following upgrade deployed on it?
Collective Organised Play, Ti'mur (Month 1 Competitive Prize), Koss
"While Koss is on your ship, none of your other upgrades can be affected by your opponents"

Once the captain is discarded, are you forced to discard Koss first, which then allows other crew upgrades to be affected by subsequent damage, or does he protect the others but die himself (similar to how klingon boarding party works)?

Q2. How does Thalaron weapon interact with a ship that has the following upgrade deployed to it?
Resistance is Futile Organised Play, Scout 225, Dispersion Field
"While this card is deployed to your ship, none of your other upgrades can be affected by your opponents"

Does the presence of a dispersion field protect any crew upgrades on the ship?
If so does 'unused' damage from the Thalaron weapon carry over to the hull even though there are still protected crew on the ship?

Q3. Can an admiral be discarded by the Thalaron weapon?
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Re: Wave 9, Scimitar, Thalaron Weapon

Postby stawrulesteam » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:57 am

daharmasterjon wrote:"Instead of inflicting normal damage, for each uncanceled [hit] or [crit] result, discard the captain card or 1 [crew] upgrade (opponent's choice) on the target ship. If the captain and all of the [crew] upgrades on the target ship are destroyed, any additional [hit] or [crit] results damage the ship as normal (max 5 damage)."

Q1. How does this interact with a ship that has the following upgrade deployed on it?
Collective Organised Play, Ti'mur (Month 1 Competitive Prize), Koss
"While Koss is on your ship, none of your other upgrades can be affected by your opponents"

Once the captain is discarded, are you forced to discard Koss first, which then allows other crew upgrades to be affected by subsequent damage, or does he protect the others but die himself (similar to how klingon boarding party works)?

Q2. How does Thalaron weapon interact with a ship that has the following upgrade deployed to it?
Resistance is Futile Organised Play, Scout 225, Dispersion Field
"While this card is deployed to your ship, none of your other upgrades can be affected by your opponents"

Does the presence of a dispersion field protect any crew upgrades on the ship?
If so does 'unused' damage from the Thalaron weapon carry over to the hull even though there are still protected crew on the ship?

Q3. Can an admiral be discarded by the Thalaron weapon?


Q1. The defender assigns damage to each crew upgrade card. Koss may protect the crew upgrades (if he does he will be discarded after the attack is over). The defender may assign the damage as desired, but when damage is assigned to Koss, Koss will be immediatly discarded and will no longer protect the other crew upgrades. Any damage assigned to those crew will cause them to be discarded.

Q2. The same as above, but Dispersion Field is not a crew upgrade and could not have damage assigned to it to cause it it to be discarded.

Additionally, if there is damage unassigned that damage will still affect the ships hull and shields as normal.

IE. There are 3 crew and a captain with Dispersion Field on a ship. The Thalaron weapon is used and rolls 5 damage. 1 damage is assigned to each crew member, but the Dispersion Field is activated to protect the crew. 1 damage is assigned to the captain. The captain is discarded. 1 damage remains and affects the shields or hull as normal. Dispersion Field is discarded due to protecting the crew.

Q3. An admiral cannot be targeted with the damage from the Thalaron weapon. But, when the Captain is discarded the Admiral immediately switches to a Captain and may also be discarded due to damage assigned to him.
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Re: Wave 9, Scimitar, Thalaron Weapon

Postby daharmasterjon » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:38 am

Do you assign the damage one at a time or all simultaneously at the end of the Attack?

For Example: A ship with Captain, admiral, Koss and two other crew

I hit a ship for 6 damage.
Apply 1 damage to captain, captain is discarded, admiral takes over
Apply 1 damage to admiral, admiral is discarded
Apply 1 damage to crew, crew is protected by Koss, Koss is discarded
Apply 1 damage to crew, crew is discarded
Apply two damage to hull

Or some other solution?
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Re: Wave 9, Scimitar, Thalaron Weapon

Postby stawrulesteam » Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:04 pm

daharmasterjon wrote:Do you assign the damage one at a time or all simultaneously at the end of the Attack?

For Example: A ship with Captain, admiral, Koss and two other crew

I hit a ship for 6 damage.
Apply 1 damage to captain, captain is discarded, admiral takes over
Apply 1 damage to admiral, admiral is discarded
Apply 1 damage to crew, crew is protected by Koss, Koss is discarded
Apply 1 damage to crew, crew is discarded
Apply two damage to hull

Or some other solution?


It would activate in this order:

Attacker has 6 damage not canceled by defense dice, evasion tokens, etc.
Defender chooses to use Koss to protect the crew
Defender applies damage card 1 to crew member 1, protected by Koss
Defender applies damage card 2 to crew member 2, protected by Koss
Defender applies damage card 3 to captain. Captain is discarded, admiral becomes new captain
Defender applies damage card 4 to new captain (former admiral). New captain (former admiral) is discarded
Defender applies damage card 5 to Koss. Koss is discarded and his text no longer protects the crew from the damage cards placed on them.
Crew member 1 is discarded.
Crew member 2 is discarded.
Apply 1 damage to the hull or shields.
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Re: Wave 9, Scimitar, Thalaron Weapon

Postby tsuyoshikentsu » Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:23 pm

How is Koss being activated multiple times in a turn? Doesn't he have "may" text per the errata?
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Re: Wave 9, Scimitar, Thalaron Weapon

Postby stawrulesteam » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:45 pm

tsuyoshikentsu wrote:How is Koss being activated multiple times in a turn? Doesn't he have "may" text per the errata?


Koss is being activated once. This is only a breakdown of a single attack and Koss continues to protect the crew as for the remainder of the round long as he is present. When Koss is discarded the hits already on crew members are still taking effect.
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ThalaronWeapon Fireing Arc

Postby 18_rabbit » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:04 pm

Is the Thalaron Weapon restricted to the forward firing arc or can it be used with the rear arc as well?
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Re: ThalaronWeapon Fireing Arc

Postby stawrulesteam » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:36 pm

18_rabbit wrote:Is the Thalaron Weapon restricted to the forward firing arc or can it be used with the rear arc as well?


If a weapon does not state which firing arc it may be fired from it may only be fired from the primary arc (Forward or 360) of the ship as stated on page 8 of the rulebook.
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