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Wave 8 - QUEEN VESSEL PRIME - Multi-Kinetic Neutronic Mines

Postby esquireflyer » Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:45 pm

When Gul Damar (Dominion Blind Booster from Collective OP) flies across the Borg Multi-kinetic neutronic mines (Wave 8 Queen Vessel), his ability says attacks on his ship with minefields are at -2 dice. But the Borg mines hit everyone up to range 3. So, do you roll two sets of dice (2 dice each), one set hitting everyone, and one set hitting everyone but Gul Damar? Or do you only roll 2 dice total (allowing everyone to benefit from Gul Damar's ability)?

Also, since you can't roll defense dice against the Borg mines unless you are at range 2-3: when a ship flies through a minefield but keeps going, and ends its movement at range 2 from the minefield token: does it get to roll defense, because after its movement it is at range 2?

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Re: Gul Damar and Wave 8 Multi-Kinetic Neutronic Mines

Postby stawrulesteam » Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:02 pm

When Damar's ship sets off the Mulit-Kinetic Neutronic Mines the owner of the mine token rolls 2 dice that will attack all ships within range 1-3 of the mine token including Damar's ship and separately roll 2 dice that also attack all ships within range 1-3 of the mine token except Damar's ship. It is considered one attack roll. The net effect being that Damar's ship is attacked by 2 attack dice and all other ships in range are attacked by 4 dice, two of which also effect Damar's ship.

If multiple players have a ship with Damar being attacked those ships are attacked by the same two dice.

Mines may be triggered by ships and maneuver templates during the activation phase, however minefield attacks are not rolled until a ship has completed its activation phase. In this case, a ship triggers the minefield and then flies through range 1 of the mine token and ends its movement at range 2, or completes actions that place it at range 2 (like a Sensor Echo or a movement granted by Admiral Forest), would roll defense dice as allowed by the Multi-Kinetic Neutronic Mines card.
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Re: Gul Damar and Wave 8 Multi-Kinetic Neutronic Mines

Postby trad » Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:19 pm

Mines may be triggered by ships and maneuver templates during the activation phase, however minefield attacks are not rolled until a ship has completed its activation phase.


Does that apply to all types of minefields?
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Re: Gul Damar and Wave 8 Multi-Kinetic Neutronic Mines

Postby rickyrob » Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:55 pm

stawrulesteam wrote:When Damar's ship sets off the Mulit-Kinetic Neutronic Mines the owner of the mine token rolls 2 dice that will attack all ships within range 1-3 of the mine token including Damar's ship and separately roll 2 dice that also attack all ships within range 1-3 of the mine token except Damar's ship. It is considered one attack roll. The net effect being that Damar's ship is attacked by 2 attack dice and all other ships in range are attacked by 4 dice, two of which also effect Damar's ship.

If multiple players have a ship with Damar being attacked those ships are attacked by the same two dice.

Mines may be triggered by ships and maneuver templates during the activation phase, however minefield attacks are not rolled until a ship has completed its activation phase. In this case, a ship triggers the minefield and then flies through range 1 of the mine token and ends its movement at range 2, or completes actions that place it at range 2 (like a Sensor Echo or a movement granted by Admiral Forest), would roll defense dice as allowed by the Multi-Kinetic Neutronic Mines card.


You specified when Damar's ship sets off the mines. What happens if you have Damar and somebody else triggers the mines?
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Re: Gul Damar and Wave 8 Multi-Kinetic Neutronic Mines

Postby stawrulesteam » Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:37 pm

trad wrote:
Mines may be triggered by ships and maneuver templates during the activation phase, however minefield attacks are not rolled until a ship has completed its activation phase.


Does that apply to all types of minefields?


Yes
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Re: Gul Damar and Wave 8 Multi-Kinetic Neutronic Mines

Postby stawrulesteam » Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:43 pm

rickyrob wrote:
stawrulesteam wrote:When Damar's ship sets off the Mulit-Kinetic Neutronic Mines the owner of the mine token rolls 2 dice that will attack all ships within range 1-3 of the mine token including Damar's ship and separately roll 2 dice that also attack all ships within range 1-3 of the mine token except Damar's ship. It is considered one attack roll. The net effect being that Damar's ship is attacked by 2 attack dice and all other ships in range are attacked by 4 dice, two of which also effect Damar's ship.

If multiple players have a ship with Damar being attacked those ships are attacked by the same two dice.

Mines may be triggered by ships and maneuver templates during the activation phase, however minefield attacks are not rolled until a ship has completed its activation phase. In this case, a ship triggers the minefield and then flies through range 1 of the mine token and ends its movement at range 2, or completes actions that place it at range 2 (like a Sensor Echo or a movement granted by Admiral Forest), would roll defense dice as allowed by the Multi-Kinetic Neutronic Mines card.


You specified when Damar's ship sets off the mines. What happens if you have Damar and somebody else triggers the mines?


Indicate and Roll the 2 attack dice that will not effect Gul Damar's ship separate from the other attack dice. Consider this to be one attack roll. Then if a ship may roll defense dice that ship rolls against all dice that are applicable to that ship.
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Re: Wave 8 - QUEEN VESSEL PRIME - Multi-Kinetic Neutronic Mi

Postby penguinbonaparte » Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:38 pm

If you place a Multi-Kinetic Mine token on top of multiple ships does it trigger more than once?
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Re: Wave 8 - QUEEN VESSEL PRIME - Multi-Kinetic Neutronic Mi

Postby stawrulesteam » Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:49 pm

penguinbonaparte wrote:If you place a Multi-Kinetic Mine token on top of multiple ships does it trigger more than once?


No, the Multi-Kinetic Mine would only trigger once and that attack would affect all ships in the trigger area.
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Re: Wave 8 - QUEEN VESSEL PRIME - Multi-Kinetic Neutronic Mi

Postby ccg_bilge_rat » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:58 pm

If a ship or template overlaps a multikinetic neutronic mine and activates it and affects a second ship and the second ship then moves and its ship's template overlaps the same mine does it activate again and damage the same ships?
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Re: Wave 8 - QUEEN VESSEL PRIME - Multi-Kinetic Neutronic Mi

Postby stawrulesteam » Fri May 08, 2015 12:29 pm

ccg_bilge_rat wrote:If a ship or template overlaps a multikinetic neutronic mine and activates it and affects a second ship and the second ship then moves and its ship's template overlaps the same mine does it activate again and damage the same ships?


Yes
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